. >> dan lothian out in martha's vineyard with the president, where he's vacationing. thanks very much, dan, for that. let's bring in our national security contributor, fran townsend, security adviser to president bush. she serves on the cia's external advisory board. thanks, fran, for coming in. i think it's fair to say we wouldn't know about any of this if it weren't for edward snowden, is that right? >> that's mostly right, wolf. look, there are regular reports filed with congress. senator dianne feinstein acknowledged as much today in a public statement, about these missteps. when there's an inadvertent collection or there's a mistaken collection, those things have to be reported to congress, and they do that on a regular basis. >> but that would be secret stuff. >> that's right. >> the public wouldn't have a clue about any of this if it had not been for snowden's leaks. >> no, that's right, that's exactly right. but let's be clear, wolf, there are reasons for that, right? and there are procedures. there are inspectors general and there are these reports to congres